UNCONVENTIONAL LEADERS
A spiritual and quirky look at storytelling. Each week, you’ll get tactical storytelling insights, behind-the-scenes conversations with creators, and reflections on how the stories we choose to tell impact culture, humanity, and our spiritual lives.
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How to Tell Better Stories | Pixar’s Matthew Luhn
In this conversation, Matthew shares insights on developing the right story structure and themes to deeply resonate with audiences through the stories you want to tell. Be sure to check out his incredible book, 'Best Story Wins,' and his latest book, 'Santa Yeti.'

Make More MONEY with Art | Amie McNee
In this conversation, Amie McNee (@inspiredtowrite) invites us to rethink the stories we carry about creativity. She shares how to move past limiting beliefs, honor our art, and take our work seriously.Be sure to check out her book We Need Your Art and her thriving community, Inspired to Write.

Storytelling Tips for Personal Brands | Sun Yi
In this conversation, @SunYiCo shares how storytelling can transform your personal brand. He walks us through the creative process, the power of clarity, and why drawing a line in the sand makes your message unforgettable.

Rob Bell on Writing, Creativity, and Spaceships
Rob Bell, known for sharing deep truths in creative ways, talks about his new fiction book Where You Park Your Spaceship. He shares insights on creativity, human connection, and how storytelling helps us see reality more clearly—plus, his take on why no good planet is without good bread.